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UFO Abduction research gone sideways

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part 2 by Charles Lear in 2010 an

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article by Jeremy vaney headlined the

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incredible visitations of Emma Woods

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appeared in the November issue of UFO

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magazine that caused people in the UFO

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Community to take a hard look at the

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methods and conclusions of the two most

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prominent people in Alien Abduction

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research Emma Woods was the pseudonym of

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a woman who lived in England and she was

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one of David jacobs's research subjects

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she had posted some tapes of her

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hypnosis sessions with him that

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contained some details that Jacobs

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probably would have preferred had not

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been made public Woods provided more

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details in an interview she gave on

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March 29 2010 on the peritopia podcast

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hosted by Vani and Jeff Ritzman which

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appear in the UFO magazine article the

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article prompted Bud hopkins's wife

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Carol Rainey to write an article of her

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own headlined the priests of high

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strangeness public published in 2011 in

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Volume 1 Number One of peritopia

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magazine detailing some of hopkins's

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methods with his subjects as well last

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week we looked at the experiences of

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woods during her interaction with Jacobs

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this week we'll look at the aftermath

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and the reaction of some in the UFO

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Community to Woods's story rainey's

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article in peritopia begins with Rainey

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telling the reader she had intended to

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wait several more years before writing

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my hard-won insights into the alien

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abduction phenomena her insights

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included what she saw as abusive

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patients ethics violations and some

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researchers manipulating the alien

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abduction narrative into a rigid

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Doctrine she wrote that she had much to

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lose and nothing to gain by speaking up

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but the story of Emma Woods electrified

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me out of my silence and into action

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Rainey then proceeds to describe the

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cases of individuals who were subjects

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of Hopkins in response to the question

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written into the editor of UFO magazine

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by Ray Fowler I wonder how many Emma's

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there are out there by describing some

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of the cases Hopkins worked on Rainey

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gives examples that reinforce her views

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that the field of alien abduction

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research is a float in hoaxes and

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partial hoaxes that hopkins's and

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jacobs's claims of powerful evidence for

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alien abductions in alien human hybrids

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being Among Us are based primarily on

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their hypnotic repetition of their own

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claims and that the people they feature

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in their books are not the norm for

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abducting experiences while she points

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out the shortcomings of alien abduction

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research she doesn't deny that there

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might be something behind the phenomenon

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and wrote that a lot of the people she

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saw coming to Hopkins had undergone

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genuinely inexplicable human experiences

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according to Rainey for over 20 years

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before she met Hopkins she worked with

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scientists and epidemiologists producing

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and directing films about medicine she

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wrote that in doing so she learned the a

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lot about scientific protocol rigor and

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the need to protect subjects of the

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experiment in contrast she describes

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Hopkins and Jacobs working alone

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unsupervised and without any medical

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training she points out that UFO

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researchers working with human subjects

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are not required to get authorization

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from the institutional review board

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which uses peer review to approve

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studies and requires researchers to

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report back with their findings Rainey

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points out however that researchers like

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Hopkins and Jacobs are at least offering

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to help people who report traumatic

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experiences that universities and health

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institutions won't touch she describes

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the work of many UFO researchers as

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lonely and often costly in terms of

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status relationships and out-of-pocket

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financial expenditure she asks what the

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reader supposes happens to researchers

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in a world with no structures No

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Boundaries no standards and no

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supervision and in particular to two who

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are also each other's best friends in

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the world rainy then looks at the Emma

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Woods case we looked at this case last

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week and at the heart of the problems

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Woods ran into with Jacobs was jacobs's

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belief that alien human hybrids were

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threatening him to stop his work with

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Woods in instant messages that were

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written on his webmaster's computer he

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believed they were channeling them

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through this person who is identified by

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the pseudonym Elizabeth Smith Woods

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believed this person was writing the

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messages on her own and her disagreement

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with Jacobs led to them parting ways

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their split was less inamicable and

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woods posted tapes of hypnosis sessions

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was in the U.S while Woods was in

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England on her website which is no

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longer active we mentioned a couple of

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instances last week where Jacobs was

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captured displaying what many might

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consider questionable judgment but

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moments that most would almost certainly

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agree crossed the boundaries of just

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about any researchers subject

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relationship where one were Jacobs

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recommends that wood send him the

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unwashed pen as she was wearing when she

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was supposedly raped by a hybrid so

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Jacobs could test them for alien sperm

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and another where He suggests she wear a

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chastity belt was strategically located

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Nails he told her he'd find one for her

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bondage dominance a place that I

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frequented quite often in spite of her

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criticisms Rainey doesn't portray

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Fabricators she describes them as being

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trapped in a surreal richly imaginative

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blend of fantasy and reality that is

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generated around anyone that is deeply

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involved in paranormal research

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according to her Hopkins and Jacobs

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believed in the narrative they'd helped

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create to the point where they'd lost

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touch with consensus reality and

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Justified their actions believing they

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were warning the world about a coming

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alien takeover Rainey doesn't deny that

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there is a need for alien abduction

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researchers her problem lies with

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Hopkins and Jacobs not being open to

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interpretations of the phenomenon that

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don't match theirs she ends the article

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by thanking them for their courageous

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and dedicated work but closes with this

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we just don't think it's possible that

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you alone you too exclusively hold the

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truth about this human experience with

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the other face it you've been engaged in

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an activity that makes it impossible for

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you to see clearly not anymore you don't

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so thanks but we'll take it from here

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Justice Hopkins had his Defenders and

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detractors within the UFO community in

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quite heated after Michael Schuler of

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the paracast got into an exchange with

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ended the exchange with this well I

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should I have anything useful to say the

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exchange was read out loud by vanian

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Ritzman at the end of the peritopia

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episode featuring Woods's tapes they

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were already at odds with the folks at

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the paracast and while they acknowledged

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this for the listener they had some

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strong things to say against schoyler

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Forum the fact that Woods's case wasn't

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commented we deliberately chose not to

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mention the ew case he mentioned her

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slightly in passing but we don't pursue

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it and we won't the value of jacobs's

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work or lack thereof doesn't rest on

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that episode Woods has since moved on

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she wrote a book about her anomalous

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experiences as she saw them titled

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published in 2022 she appeared as a

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to talk about the book she answered in

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the positive when asked if the more than

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other worldly aspects of her experiences

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fit best into the ufology field but said

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she thought that probably whatever was

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behind them was part of the natural

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world and had been with us from the

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beginning there was no mention of Jacobs

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Charles Lear is the author of The Flying

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Saucer investigators available at

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thank you